Wasn't it this time last year that all these supposed things were coming out at the Annual Meeting and none of them turned out to be true accept, a think, that there would be a few new songs?
Mad Irishman
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I hope the letter about deleting the Theocratic school is true.
by John Aquila inyesterday i was with a group of brothers that wanted my advice on re-roofing a home.
three of them were ministerial servants.
all of them are from the spanish congregation.
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are there really 8 million jw's?
by wannaexit inlast circuit assembly there was 700+ present and 1 baptized.. recently there was a foreign language assemble of over 500 and 1 baptized.. in the last 5-10 years i haven't been to one assembly where there has been more than a handful baptized.
at the memorial all i see are the same old faces that have been coming since the flood.. the hall complex i attend has 6 congregation and several groups-there is negative growth.
when you factor in the demographically aging folk and the many who have already passed away, i don't know where they get the 8 million.. i know that most of the growth is from the developing countries, but still i think they are fudging their numbers.
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Mad Irishman
If they wanted to fudge numbers they would count everyone who attends meetings and not just "active" publishers.
I've always thought this. Just count everyone, but they don't. If they were fudging they wouldn't be publishing that active publishers have gone down in some countries or that there are double the amount of anointed than there were 20 years ago .
You can't just believe things because you have a hunch or you'd like to believe it. You have to have proof and use discernment with the evidence that is out there. The evidence proves the exact opposite of your hypothesis.
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"Alarmageddon"
by stuckinarut2 in" alarmageddon " .
this term came to mind as i thought of just how weird it is that witnesses actually look forward to seeing billions of people killed..... also, at how strange it is that the org has repeatedly tried to work out the date or time for it to happen.
(although they will deny doing this ...but the old publications and talks etc are there on record!
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Mad Irishman
It wasn't my experience that Witnesses were all looking forward to billions of people being killed. That's just plain propaganda. Most are worried sick about those people being killed and are troubled by it and are constantly asking questions about who might be saved and who wouldn't and what about this and what about that.
Generalizing what some individual nuts may say is different than brushing everyone and everything with the same broad brush.
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Everybody loves Raymond
by Saintbertholdt ina while ago the user vinman started a forum thread called: "ray franz was an idiot".
the reaction to it was quite negative but i have to admit that the title of that thread was intriguing to me.
by nature i am an iconoclast.
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Mad Irishman
Ray Franz was a man like any other man. He had good virtues and he had not so good virtues.
I met Ray Franz and Ed Dunlap more than once in private social settings. Ed wasn't the brightest bulb, but very kind and very sincere. He never wanted to be outside of the JW world. He just wanted everyone inside it to believe the few points of emphasis he believed, which, believe me, he was relating to everyone he came in contact with. I remember he was very high on believing there was no scriptural basis for everyone who was a JW to go out in field service. It was a conscience matter to him.
Both Ray Franz and Ed Dunlap felt how they interrupted the Bible was correct; just as their adversaries did. Ray wanted more of the limelight in that he wanted to be the "go-to guy" on the GB just as you have guessed. Most men in his position would have wanted the same because he was in the trenches doing the work but it was all behind the scenes. He resented that. That's understandable--right or wrong. I've worked for project managers where I have accomplished a task and they have taken credit for it. It's not the best feeling to say the least.
Did Ray Franz plan ahead, or at least think of planning ahead, when things started to look like they may go down a rabbit hole? Nobody can know for sure without the evidence to prove it; a note in a journal or a letter of correspondence to someone. He didn't seem to want a fight, but he did take everything he needed if he got pushed too far. Remember, he was dealing with family and lifelong friends, so he may not have wanted to go the route he evidentially did in the beginning. It looks like he was prepared for a fight, but we don't know if it was for a different fight he never had to face; and then he decided to use his knowledge and correspondence to write his book. I would hazard a guess that he took whatever document-wise as a defense for any challenge he faced with the GB.
All anyone can do is make an educated guess. He was like most men who were in the upper echelons of power. He was full of hubris and needed to prove he was right. Sometimes that is good. Sometimes it isn't. The judgment of a man's character is up to each individual.
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Do you agreed with Ben Carson, Muslim should not become president??
by James Mixon ini do believe islam conflicts with constitution.
your thoughts.
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Mad Irishman
Ben Carson isn't fit to be President if he said this, because he has obviously never read the Constitution, which I often find is true about people who go about trying to espouse the Constitution all the time. It is simply an incredibly racist thing he said and he should step down from running immediately.
Article. VI.
All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
Don't see anyway around that one my friends! The Founding Fathers are rolling over in their graves.
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After Death Communications in the JW community
by jack2312 inmy name is jack and i'm looking for after death communications from the jehovah witness community.
an after death communication (or adc) is when a loved one sends a kind of message to this side of life after their death.
it can be a dream or smell (like perfume or roses that would be attached to them in memory) or a feeling of their presence.
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Mad Irishman
I just can't believe that in 2015 people are still talking about this kind of quackery. You think mankind advances, but they never do. -
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I'm not so sure a bigger awakening is going to happen anymore
by bradford inwhen i left in march officially i started reading the forums here.
i had this excitement that more people would be leaving soon because of the crazy broadcasts, the crazy "new light" that the gb was dishing out, and more recently the australian royal commission lighting up geoffrey.
this past saturday i had an elder stop by to chat for the first time since i left.
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Mad Irishman
Nothing is going to change. Most of the people still Witnesses are those who want to be Witnesses.
It isn't like it was long ago when people were stone-cold afraid to leave. Less people need religion nowadays. But those in are mostly hard core.
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If only............
by tresdecu in....charles taze russell's mom and dad didn't have sex back on that night in june of 1851.... weird that a married couple getting horny could affect so many lives 164 years later.. just a random friday thought.
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Mad Irishman
Too bad Hitler's mother and father had intercourse. Yes, it all makes sense now!
Come on. Come up with something a little more intelligent than this.
I guess if you're parents didn't slept together we wouldn't have this banal post to talk about and someone after me wouldn't be angry reading this!
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How many teens stay because they have their eye on someone they hope to marry?
by purrpurr ini was just watching a documentary film about the amish.
this one girl who left said she didn't leave until her early twenties because as a teen until then she had her eye on one of the boys in the church.
she had a crush on him and hoped to marry him.
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Mad Irishman
There were way better marriage mates outside of JW Land than inside, so I'd say it's the totally opposite.
So many people leave the JW faith because they want to marry someone who isn't a JW.
That's probably why young JW's leave the religion the most! 3 out of 4 don't stay JW's so I'm not sure this makes any sense at all. Maybe you can shoot off an example or two, but they leave because they find someone who isn't a JW. Duh.
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The WT Trucking Outfit Has Violations
by cattails in2. total number of vehicle inspections for the measurement period.
n. fatigued truck driving (hours-of-service) basic serious violation indicator (y = serious violation within previous 12 months).
n. kingdom support services inc truck driver fitness data.
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Mad Irishman
I don't know about you, but I got a few speeding tickets in my day when I was a JW. Who didn't?
I often find it a strange paradox that people post crimes and misdemeanors of JW's, whether they really have the truth or not, like they are supposed to be perfect citizens. Their rate of crime, divorce, murder, etc. is minuscule compared to society's in general, but even if they had the truth there would still be outliers out there who did terrible things. So I'm not sure what that is supposed to prove when you take the emotion out of it. King David committed murder and adultery. Satan was an Angel. Judas was an apostle. So if some JW got speeding tickets or did something against the law what does that prove?
Everyone is human and cable of doing something wrong no matter what side you're viewing it on--from their side or from the outside. I think sometimes we go overboard trying to find every infraction committed by a JW like somehow there is something to glean from it.